Ha ha hah, ha ha hah! Orgy? Tragically it was the director's final film with Kubrick dying less than a week after screening an incomplete cut for the studio and its stars. He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, till Zeigler tells him. Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. And if it's *not* supposed to be obvious, thatmeans that Polanski screwed up. At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? When Bill asks what, she simply responds, "Fuck." Eyes Wide Shut developed after Stanley Kubrick read Arthur Schnitzler's Dream Story in 1968, when Kubrick was looking for a project to follow 2001: A Space Odyssey. Kubrick was interested in adapting the story, and with the help of journalist Jay Cocks, bought the filming rights to the novel. >on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >him. The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply >> "Rhizomatic uncertainties"?>> I actually had to look that up. Here was Stanley Kubrick, for many the worlds greatest living filmmaker, returning with his first finished project in 12 years a sexually provocative adult drama, utterly shrouded in secrecy, starring pre-eminent Hollywood power couple Tom The 'mystery' is how SHE knows that he is an interloper. I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any way. Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - Julienne Davis. : I like the Ninth Gate alot and have watched it numerous times but it's quite. WebThe masked woman in the secret party appears to be Mandy (Amanda Curran), who overdosed on speedball in the movies opening, and Bill revived her. WebThere are constant hints throughout the film of it being a story about one man's ego and insecurities. > If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. >>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>wearingmasks? But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. >>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequentlysend a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? There are many aspects of it that ARE still a > mystery such as I was suggesting with the costume. Masks - both literal and figurative - are a major motif, and one of the most important sequences is when Bill infiltrates a masked sex party at a remote mansion, which is being held by members of high society. The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world. In Eyes Wide Shut, Abigail Good plays a `Mysterious Woman'. Every woman Bill meets in the film wants him, wants to be with him; Alice One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shutmask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. Clearly, of course,the Somerton ritual is a mirror of Ziegler's party (with each event inmany ways serving as the 'truth' of the other): whether its Mandy atthe party or at the ritual or at both, the outcome is still the same:a corpse in a morgue. -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.net, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB6g66OYoKI, "Steven L." wrote in message. Alot was going on, he had to figure it out. Orgy? MYMENU MYMENU Masquerade Mask For Couples But then again when Superman puts on a pair of plain eyeglassesLois Lane, or anyone else fails to recognize him as Clark Kent! Take another listen. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. Those critics of EWS must have > been delerious. (and i'm sure that doesn't even begin to label them in full) They were nutcases. > <<<<<<< after> visiting the morgue, as his disbelief at Ziegler's explanation> indicated. People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut The genre of Stanley Kubricks last film, based on the well-known story of the Austrian A. Schnitzler, The If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? Bill is, after all, wearing a mask; not only that, butthe Mandy who was in Ziegler's bathroom the night before was 1. sodrugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling), Ziegler doing all the talking and explaining. ">> "Victor what can I say. >>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<. we talked about this about 8 years ago on this newsgroup . and she >> replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," >> Mandy says, "I know." He stares down at her but that'sit, and Kubrick tryied in vain to tlel his stories visually so itshould be considerd from a visual perspective. Same voice. When Bill goes to the hospital, he asks to see patient Amanda Curren (sp), the name he saw in the newspaper. "My Sex Slave video with Chinese subtitles"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, ZKD 788-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, Im Treibhaus (Wesendonck Lieder) - Richard Wagner - Faynehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, When he claps his hands together. >In a big crowd of masked> people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is). WebIn Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut, the protagonist Bill arrives at a secret party/orgy: Shortly after arriving, he is warned by a masked woman to leave ASAP. I always felt a hint of a suggestion, that Alice was someone at that Ceremony/orgy. Well at least you're ostensibly modest enough to acknowledge yourunfamiliarity with such a concept, but then you proceed to betray yourdumb, sniggering agenda by perpetuating your ignorance with adismissive, anti-intellectual fart: > My extra-fat dictionary yields the> following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". 1. '<<<<<<<<<<< I think it is clear he was > referring to the Somerton party. I am ready Is that how youwould describe it? So check out Mandy's Wink on the slab---it's very fast, but it is there:), Yeah but he used the same actor for different roles in Dr Strangeloveand in some scenes of Eyes Wide Shut he has Cruise on a treadmillagainst a blue screen using real photography of NYC behind him, thenin the next scene Cruise is filmed against a set in england. Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. ". It seems evident that Kubrick carefully selected the Rothschild-owned location and hand-picked the masks worn by participants of the ritual, echoing real-life families and events. > anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible > mumbling),<<<, > No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare > kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" I am normally the last guy in the, > world to criticize somebody for using big words. I enjoy the > mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the > film again and again.>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequently> send a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? When we see the naked corpse's face from the overhead shot, at first it's hard to tell if it's really Mandy's face, because of the expression and the angle, her combed back hair etc. Can it really compete with Rupert? In a case like that a pwerson would go through the various possibilities in his mind, but he was kinda busy. andpleading with her to take off her mask? In keeping with the filmmaker's quest for perfection, the shoot for Eyes Wide Shut famously rolled on, with the movie holding the record for the longest consecutiveshoot, as filming began in late 1996 and wrapped in mid-1998. Models at the party attended by the Royal Family. What else could he call it? reinforced bythe simple observation that you have never actually posted here before[at least under your supplied handle/ID]. Think of that journey as Dr. Bill's "living nightmare" or "daydream," which began after he left his wife. <<<<<<<<<<<<<. >>>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone accept> anything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman> (or women) as "a hooker. I'm your Mutineer~ - Warren Zevon- -. The rhizomatic uncertainties anduncanny inconsistencies multiply And it is not immediately clearwhether Bill connects this Amanda to the masked woman at Somerton orto the overdosed Mandy in Ziegler's bathroom. The silence of the empty mind, like the silent empty space we see in 2001, is the best path to curing your mania. If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? (meaning > the Mysterious woman), ME"So..Victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the> women at the party, well Victor, maybe i'm missing something > but what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! Changes within the building seem to lack that phone booth sense of urgency and drama. Her pubic hair is trimmed just like Mandy's Pubic hair. I am normally the last guy in the> world to criticize somebody for using big words. The way Zeigler confirms it was Mandy is matter of fact and it isn't as though Bill seemed surprised at this--even if the audience might still be confused. Orgy? >What else could> he call it? In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, subliminally. We could say that even Nick was in on it and the phone call to Nick in the Jazz club was a set up to pique Bill's interest, even letting Bill knows the password. If those 2-3 women were supposed to be the same woman, Kubrick would, I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Harry Bailey <, On Feb 26, 3:27pm, "Avoid normal situations. >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? WebI n the film "Eyes Wide Shut", who was the masked woman that redeemed Tom Cruise's character? The genre of Stanley Kubricks last film, based on the well-known story of the Austrian A. Schnitzler, The Novel of Dreams (1925-1926), can be interpreted in different ways. or psychotherapists. He did not know who she was: she was wearinga mask. "The ng will die when there are no longer any participants. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Bill> has been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-> vis Mandy and the masked woman. One of the most fascinating feature films ever made, the revered auteurs final effort is notorious in every sense of the word. So if instead, he replayed Alice's voice (or Ziegler's voice) thiswould 'prove' that the body was that of Alice (or Ziegler)? (3) With the advent of cyberspace, and just simple disinterest many newspaper companies have gone under. while walking down one of the NY streets, the background glowsbeautifucally. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing > this," Mandy says, "Ya." WebEyes Wide Shut Mask Woman - Etsy Browse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a How? for the morgue scene but it is still meant to be the same Mandy. --And men fancied he was dusted in gold. The Redeemer's voice does sound alot like Mandy's voice, both with a hint of a New York accent. (meaning the Mysterious woman) "victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the women at the party, well victor, maybe i'm missing something heyou call it a Charadetell me what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". Statanic mass? Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). On Feb 26, 3:27 pm, "Avoid normal situations. When I did this, at first it seems like a similar, but different face, but then seeing one frame of the bathroom scene from a certain angle, it jumped out at me that it was the same person, but I could be wrong. Nevertheless, those two recollections(one of a fantasy, one of a dream) constitute the very desire whoseexclusion (from the quotidian, commonsensical, 'social reality' of theHarfords' marriage) the film is exploring. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.movies.kubrick/browse_frm/thread/16629c3d6011a459/705fb749859063b2?lnk=gst&q=treadmill#705fb749859063b2. "Kelpzoidzl" wrote in message news:47881976$0$11015$4c36@roadrunner.com "Kelpzoidzl" wrote in message. ANSWER. If it was all a elaborate part of Bill's initiation into the order. What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. Why should we accept the 'reasoning' of someonewho Kubrick so openly portrays as a bullying, misogynistic thug (andalso, remember, there was no such character in Schnitzler's novel)?Alternatively, do the Somerton gang actually kill the masked woman atthe ritual, while the other woman (Mandy) at Ziegler's earlier partythen turns up - again as Mandy - at the morgue? The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at the same time, being simplke and concrete. <<<<<<<<<<<>. However, as we might imagine, there were many who believed his death was far from natural. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", Ditto. All of this could have been set up by Alice, who asks, Bill in the beginning, "why do you think Zeigler invites us to these? (1) As more people opt for lasik surgery, he will not be able to hide behind those specs. Sakyamuni had taught that simpleminded people of even blind faith are way ahead of these blabbering, eliteist, arrogant intellectuals. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? He's super modern too, so his favorite movies include Jaws, Die Hard, The Thing, Ghostbusters and Batman. How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all wearingmasks? This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. He is not exactly voicing his thoughts. Imay bewrong, but I think Kubrick intended it that way. Perhaps it> would have worked better if there had been a photo in the news> article. He has written words for Den of Geek, Collider, The Irish Times and Screen Rant over the years, and can discuss anything from the MCU - where Hawkeye is clearly the best character - to the most obscure cult b-movie gem, and his hot takes often require heat resistant gloves to handle. >>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). > He didn't recognise her voice. Somerton could hardly be> >>>>>> described (and>> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. And coming from the newsgroup'sresident acid-headed, solipsistic zombie. >In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is), So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<. But he still wasn't sure after reading the news story, or even aftervisiting the morgue, as his disbelief at Ziegler's explanationindicated. He may literally have to go underground, or to the moon, etc. orpsychotherapists. >Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing this," Mandy says, "Ya." > Mandy was not the same woman. Poor Clark. >He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. He treated her as a not-very-important> patient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery.>, Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast.>, > How? He wasn't positive. Statanic mass? ", "Victor what can I say. WebEyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubricks love letter to his wife. And Milich was expecting him. 2. How manypayments of $19.99 was that, again?-- "History is a lie agreed upon." Isn't that - again - amazing; except that you're not even unfortunateenough to have a mindless head, given the large quantities ofbubblewrap - and nothing else - between your ears take care, MrKelpless. And of course how did > the mask get on his pillow? Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? <<<<<<<<. But he can't know for sure (because she was> masked at Somerton).>, >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy >> all along,>>, > If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? So, they joined Snctm because they heard it was the best of the best in the He only ultimately acceptsZiegler's account because itgives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerfulposition - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing tothe demands and realities of Ziegler's world). > First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was > showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. and she replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," Mandy says, "I know." But he can't know for sure (because she wasmasked at Somerton). S he was the same woman who overdosed at Victor Ziegler's party earlier in the movie. The most obvious answer is Alice found the mask and left it out as a way to let Bill know she knew something was going on. >>He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >>somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" > the same time, being simple and concrete. - Zieglerwasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so asto avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is justbetween us"). The second half of Eyes Wide Shut sees Bill being given ominous warnings from this secret society, and he can't seem to find his mask from the party. Please either stop > or> shape up. But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. Was she the women at the party?" Weve got a beautiful feminine version of the lead mask that features a baroque pattern and crystal embellishments, as well as a feathered mask similar to the That is a possible explanation. While the final movie was greeted with somewhat mixed reviews at the time, the appreciation for Eyes Wide Shut has only grown since its 1999 debut. >>>>>>>>> And even if it was clear, even if he had> referred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)> party, it would still be uncertain, because>> 1. While Polanski is the master ofparanoia, The Ninth Gate had too many things wrong with it. This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the filmitself, there is absolutely no indication - other than Ziegler'sdubious contention - that Mandy is also the masked woman at Somerton.There could even have been two deaths. He was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," were killers. Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is the mystery. -----Richard Schultz sch@mail.biu.ac.ilDepartment of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, IsraelOpinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University-----"It would have been like discussing sundials with a bat. On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 5:36:03 PM UTC-4, JD Chase wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, byend.removethisbityousillyper@eskimo.com, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inLfK535oxs. No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare clear and she has a very distinctive voice. Was she the women at the party?" And wouldn't he really feel more at home in amore errrrrrrrr Gnostic setting? > But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure > of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. 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